CCR 067: The Artilect War with Dr. Hugo de Garis


ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE is already here. But how will the singularity, or the point at which machines achieve sentience be received by humanity? In this episode, Basil and Gonz are joined by Professor Hugo  de Garis, author of the very fascinating book entitled The Artilect War: Cosmists vs. Terrans: A Bitter Controversy Concerning Whether Humanity Should Build Godlike Massively Intelligent Machines. Professor de Garis speculates that the major political clash of the 21st century will be between what he calls the Cosmists, who touts we should pursue creating godlike machines, and the Terrans, who touts this will lead to the destruction of mankind. While discussions about the potential of massively intelligent machines is currently reserved for the few, with movies like ‘Transcendance’ starring Johnny Depp hitting theatres, Professor Hugo de Garis believes that we are on the cusp of this topic hitting the mainstream. Currently, there are no clear lines drawn in the sand between Cosmists, Terrans, and even Cyborgians, yet it is impossible to deny that the seeds of the theories presented by Hugo de Garis are well watered and ready to sprout.

In this discussion, Basil and Gonz also dive deep into a discussion of the metaphysical properties theorized by Professor de Garis which led him to open up to the possibility of deism being true. While reductionist materialism has ruled the mainstream scientific and scholastic milieu, Hugo de Garis believes that science is reaching a point at which the distance between the spiritual or religious worldview and the scientific worldview are drawing ever closer. In fact, in conjunction to the Artilect War, de Garis believes that what the Cosmists are pursuing will eventually become an endeavour of religious fervor, and a necessary step in the evolution of mankind.

Professor hugo de Garis is an Australian native and a researcher in the subfield of artificial intelligence (AI) known as evolvable hardware. He became known in the 1990s for his research on the use of genetic algorithms to evolve neural networks using three-dimensional cellular automata inside field programmable gate arrays. He claimed that this approach would enable the creation of what he terms “artificial brains” which would quickly surpass human levels of intelligence. He has a PhD from Brussels University, Belgium author of 2 books. including “Multis and Monos : What the Multicultured Can Teach the Monocultured : Towards the Growth of a Global State” and “The Artilect War : Cosmists vs. Terrans : A Bitter Controversy Concerning Whether Humanity Should Build Godlike Massively Intelligent Machines”


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9 comments… add one
  1. gina

    Awesome interview, guys!

  2. Michael Sean


    As a film buff I was just checking out what Senior Speilbergo was upto in the near future. His robopocolyps has been delayed due to rewrites The Beard wanted. Interestingly the other two he is attached to are possibly a couple of Catholic bashing films, digging up the Catholic Church’s dark past.

    Great show by the way.

  3. Sim0n

    Holy moly that Hugo guy is awesome…most thought provoking interview yet. Great job

  4. This was a great episode guys. Love the in-depth discussion and how he went into all the undeniable aspects of design behind the veil and from a purely secular world view which is even more insightful and ironic.

    I’ll have to listen to this a few times to let the intel sink in well.

  5. Michael

    The only problem I have with ‘AI’ is that word ‘intelligence’ it doesn’t ring right.

    It should be ‘ALOI’ Artificial LACK OF intelligence. Name it after the creators. i-idiot.

    What is it humans are looking for anyway? Why even create these things, or look at it? How perverse must our minds become? We’re trying to create a human robot? WHY!!? WHAT FOR! There’s humans everywhere. Control? WHY? We know how to program humans minds and make them do what we want, we can even make people sleeper cell agents, with pre-programmed code.

    What is this AI? It’s the exact OPPOSITE of God is what it is. That’s it 100%. It is an image of the temple, God’s house. It houses no soul, no empathy and no creative spark. It’s dead and it learns nothing. The first thing an AI would lose is any attachment to a ‘greater meaning’. It would start to allocate objectives as a command structure rather than a growth process. Dead, not living.

    AI should carry it’s true meaning on it’s face. The beast. Anti-God. Anti-man. Anti-life.

    1. I think what will happen is that demons will inhabit these AI’s where else would the “self aware,” intelligence come from. Demons want a body, they do not have one like people do.

  6. MayorQuixote
  7. I agree this is very interesting and it may all begin to unfold the way it is described in the interview. But, barring some incredible breakthrough (certainly possible) what currently passes for artificial intelligence is not going to advance enough to be a credible threat to humanity for a very long time.

  8. This is amazing interview. Some things I haven’t even heard of before. The Professor needs the gospel. Hopefully you were able to get that to him. I had to take a break last night and hear more today and even then I had to take another break for a little while. So mind blowing. Thanks for this. I think the things are gonna happen faster than he suggests, though. Especially with the global community thing. There are so much debauchery increasing faster, that I do think there may be a collapse of the USA, because of God’s judgement. May the Lord Jesus Christ come quickly. 🙂

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