CCR 068: Measuring Creation with Douglas Krieger


AS ABOVE, SO BELOW is a famous occult line of thought believed to have been first written down on the mysterious artifact called the Emerald Tablet. But the systems to measure creation, both from above, and below, have been just as mysterious and overlooked. That is until former math teacher gone Bible prophecy writer Douglas Krieger came around. In this episode, Basil and Gonz are joined by Douglas Krieger to discuss his new book Signs in the Heavens and on the Earth: Man’s Days are Numbered. By using various calculations, Krieger goes through his various equations to show that not only are the sacred units of measure rooted in the Biblical account, but the measurements of the New Jerusalem that all believers are a part of can also be understood. The guys also discuss measurements of the Great Pyramid of Giza and who may have actually built them. Hint; it’s not the Nephilim. Krieger also explains why he believes that the return of Jesus will occur in the year 2025.

Douglas Krieger is Co-Editor of the Tribnet since 2004, having written scores of e-books on Bible Prophecy. He has served as Education Administrator for public schools for 20 years, and was the Executive Director of the National Religious Broadcasters National Prayer Breakfast in Honor of Israel during the 1980s. Additionally, he was a pastor during the Jesus Movement in Berkeley, California. Since 1968, he’s been married to Deborah and has three children who love the Lord Jesus. Doug’s involvement in Christian Leadership led to several White House briefings during the Reagan Administration with the Religious Roundtable and the American Forum for Jewish-Christian Cooperation. He was a co-co-author of The Final Babylon alongside Dene McGriff and Doug Woodward, and he was one of the revered speakers at The Prophecy Forum conference back in February, and he’s recently written a new book called SIGNS IN THE HEAVENS AND ON THE EARTH: MAN’S DAYS ARE NUMBERED.


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Gonz’s Calculations based on Vortex Mathematics

-Earth’s diameter: 7,920-mile (7+9+2+0=18…1+8=9)

-Earth’s foursquare edges: 31,680 miles 3168 (3+1+6+8=18…1+8=9)

-Moon’s diameter 2,160 (2+1+6=9)

-Wall of the New Jerusalem 144 (1+4+4=9) or 302.4 ft (3+2+4=9)

-Hebrew Sacred Cubit 25.20 inches (2+5+2=9)

-Ezekiel’s rod/reed 6 sacred cubits which is 6×2.1 (which if you add the numbers in the equation equal 9) =12.6 feet (which also equals 9)

-Holy City wall according to Ezekiel 4,500 cubits per side (4+5=9)

-Then when you multiply 4500 x 4 = 18,000 (1+8=9)

-5040, Plato’s optimal number of societal harmony (5+4=9)

-The second measure of cubit according to Assyriologist Dr Julius Oppert 39.96 inches (3+9+9+6=27….2+7=9)

-360 day prophetic year (3+6=9)

-Sun’s diameter 864,000 miles (8+6+4=18…1+8=9)

-Sun’s radius fractal 432,000 miles (4+3+2=9)

-6 faces of New Jerusalem 8,640 acres (8+6+4=18…1+8=9)

-43,560 sq. feet one Acre (4+3+5+6=18…1+8=9)

-18 neolithic structures (1+8=9)

-Fractal distance from earth to sun 95,040,000 ft. (9+5+4=18…1+8=9)

-“1728” original cubit inch (1+7+2+8=18…1+8=9)

-2025 your date for the return of Jesus? (2+2+5=9)

14 comments… add one
  1. simon

    easily the most idiotic guest youve ever had on CCR. He cherry picks the things he wants to apply his numbers to, and he cherry picks the unit of measure…. so miles is god’s prophetic unit of choice? What about the rest of us who don’t live in usa and use km? when it suits him he uses cubits or , decides to use the earth’s diameter, not circumference or radius.
    On a final note, no one knows the day jesus comes back – not even jesus himself, only god. So who is krieger to say jesus comes back in 2025 because it makes 9? False prophecy is a sign the prophet is not from god. Watch out.

  2. simon

    btw, krieger’s claim that the foot is some ordained unit of measure that ppl tried to get away from in order to avoid ‘god’s measurement’ is bogus. The history of the foot as a unit of measurement is complex and the actual unit of measure varied from country to country throughout europe. USA’s definition of the foot is different than the uk’s after 1959 and therefore the distances krieger measures would be different depending on what country and time. for example pre 1959 the earth’s diameter would have been much different.

  3. simon

    one more thing – many of krieger’s measurements are wrong. The moon is 2159 miles in diameter, the sun’s is 864,938
    The diameter of the earth at the equator is 7,926.41 miles, but, if you measure the earth through the poles the diameter is a bit shorter – 7,901 miles. Neither measurement works for krieger, so he invents something that fits.The distance to the moon is all over the place in reality, so one could pick any number that makes an 18 or whatever. I could go on and on with this guy’s goofy number games,, reminds me of ancient aliens bunk

    btw, That giza pi thing of his is beyond retarded… just saying.

  4. Krieger says to Simon says: In a word: HOGWASH

    12 Inches is 12 Inches and it is ancient – even Wiki agrees; to wit: Historically the foot, which was used in Ancient Greece, Ancient Rome, England, Scotland and many Continental European countries and which varied from country to country and in some cases from city to city, was part local systems of units. Its length was usually between 250 mm and 335 mm and was generally, but not always, subdivided into 12 inches or 16 digits.

    What is it about ANCIENT that you don’t understand or is it that you don’t wish to understand?

    Picky, picky – Simon, may I humbly suggest you go to a thousand web sites, many of them scientific and kindly notice that the diameter of “mother Earth” is 7,920 British Imperial Miles –

    Then while you’re on site #999 start on the next couple of thousand sites that declare that the Moon is 2,160 miles in diameter – here:

    I really despise suffering fools – especially goof balls who don’t do their research – then this broad brush stroke that “many of Krieger’s measurements are wrong” and then you declare the sun’s diameter is 864,938 miles as a case in idiocy; to wit: commence your journey through thousands of sites which proclaim the Sun’s Diameter at, you guessed it: 864,000 Miles: Dare to see here:

    Neither measurement works for Simon, so he runs around and tries to find other figures – nice try, Simon, but it’s an abysmal failure and somewhat of an ad hominem effort on your part to discredit my otherwise brilliant research – just like the two Frenchmen who concocted the metric system of measurement based on a blatant lie – look it up – some research might just do you well – yes, what you’re alluding to is the supremacy of the metric system based on an overt attempt of the atheists within France to go to a “system of 10” vs. the duodecimal system of “12” – See here:

    So, guess what, Simon, Krieger says he ain’t buyin’ it – viz., your little metric lie! And to think I taught this damnable heresy for years in the public schools; no wonder they’re all goofed up!

    Krieger also says you should read his article found at: – substantiating the superiority of the Hebrew Sacred Cubit’s 25.20 Inches and of the blatant fact that Flinders Petrie, first Egyptologist of the British Museum who spent several years measuring the base and other items of the Giza Necropolis concluded that original intent of the GPG (Great Pyramid) was its base at 756 Linear Feet (British, no less – and quit this stupidity between the American and British foot business); therefore, one can use the Egyptian Royal Cubit (ERC) at 20.6181818 as Petrie suggests giving an “approximation” of 440 ERC per each edge or 440 X 4 base edges = 1,760 ERC – a rather meaningless exposure (and a minuscule approximation) or can use the Hebrew Sacred Cubit of 25.20″ or 2.1′ and secure a spectacular 360 Hebrew Sacred Cubits for the base edge of the GPG with no approximations X 4 = 1,440 Hebrew Sacred Cubits wholly in line with the duodecimal system or 12 X 12 = 144, etc.

    You see, dear Simon, the truth hurts, doesn’t it and the numbers do not lie as you would like everyone to believe they do. Now in a rare attempt to break the bonds which bind your brain, I suggest you BUY my book: SIGNS IN THE HEAVENS AND ON THE EARTH…Man’s Days Are Numbered! Because you and I are running out of time – and, if you think my tone is a bit harsh, try reading the Apocalypse – the Almighty’s not messing around . . . notwithstanding, you’re probably, as a “scoffer” fulfilling prophecy in any event, so a big thank you for making the Bible come to life!

    Likewise, I suggest as a reference you get THE DIMENSIONS OF PARADISE by Dr. John Michell of Oxford University fame who vociferously lobbied the British to ban the metric system of measurement for the above-reasons stated and amplified the superiority of the British Imperial Mile, foot, etc., and Nautical Mile to such an extent that the British, Canadians and a few others, but, in particular, the Americans, simply can’t get off of the quaint little system of the British Imperial Mile (and quaint little items like the rod, reed, yard, acre, furlong, ad nausea, ad infinitude) which in turn drives the metrologist into the Hebrew Sacred Cubit of 25.20 inches

    Oh, and by the way, insofar as your “Giza Pi retardation” comment concerns: That is just a dumb remark from a person who doesn’t understand that using such terms as “retarded” is really an offense to people with mental illness – you are so politically incorrect . . . just thought I’d put that in there to assist you in your future criticisms of my work.

  5. Hey, where’s my humble response to Simon Says – actually “Krieger Says” response is more interesting! Hey, just go to and enjoy the ABSOLUTE NUMBERS OF HOLY WRIT!

  6. Jeff

    Doug Krieger is a date setter, and that pretty much rules him out as a valid Bible teacher in my book.

    1. Jeff – why is it that “no man knows the day nor the hour” of the coming of the Son of Man and that to speculate otherwise, one is apparently and utterly discredited? Then why is it that Jesus and the apostles spend an inordinate amount of time and Scripture on the timing of the Coming of the Son of Man? I am pleased to be numbered with Daniel and John, the Beloved and with Paul and even Peter in aligning His coming with Scripture which is fraught through and through with numerical settings for just this very purpose – please, don’t criticize me without reading my writings – that’s insulting. I don’t plan on Jesus’ coming as a thief for me – do you? Why is it that believers who embrace a “secret pre-tribulational any moment coming FOR the Church” never try to explain the incredible specificity of Daniel’s chronologies and Seventieth Week which clearly lays out precisely the coming of Messiah to this Earth from the commencement of that Week until the completion of the Wrath of the Lamb (Daniel 12:11-13)? And, why is it that the TWO OTHERS in Daniel 12:6-7 wanted to know “How long shall the fulfillment of these wonders be?” Did the Man dressed in linen above the waters proclaim: “That’s none of your business!” No, of course not – he gave them a very specific time frame: “time, times and half a time, and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished.” (Daniel 12:7).

      Now, “Although I heards, I did not understand. Then I said, ‘My lord, what shall be the end of these things?'” (Daniel 12:8)

      Response: “Didn’t I tell you, Daniel, it’s none of your business!”

      No, he didn’t hear that – instead:

      “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, made white and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly, and none of the wicked shall understand, BUT THE WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND” . . . . (Dan. 12:9-10)

      Well, let’s don’t get too specific about the “time of the end” – SAY WHAT?

      “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days. But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the END OF THE DAYS” (Daniel 12:11-13).

      Sounds like he’s talking about the END OF DAYS to me – and it’s awfully specific – but like Rick Warren says: IT’S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS WHEN I’M COMING BACK – which sounds a lot like someone else I recently heard: WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?

      Allow me to crudely illustrate – the Son of Man is the Captain of our Salvation – we’re on a mission from God but we, just like a military patrol, don’t have any idea the timing of our mission UNTIL WE HAVE A NEED TO KNOW – I happen to believe that time is NOW.

      Likewise, another crude illustration. Recently a elderly woman here in Sacramento was robbed twice by teenagers. She was petrified that they would come again – such is the manner of the thief! Well, her gun-packin’ relative was called into action and showed up at her home. This time when the thieves came – and it was fairly predictable they would try it again, notwithstanding, police patrols and the like – but this time the pistol-packin dude was waitin’ for ‘um. That will be the last time they will ever rob someone again for eternity!

      P.S. If you think that the Son of Man is confined to the dates I’ve mentioned as the strongest possibilities, then I’m my own god and He isn’t – no, but I’m sittin’ here with a shot gun, just in case!

  7. simon

    matthew 24: 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
    36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

    nuff said

    1. No, that’s not quite enough said – perhaps what “Simon says?” If the 70th Week of Daniel is given in such copious calendric detail so that we know all to well is start, the 2300 days, the timing of the Abomination of Desolation, the end of the week, and even the terminus of the 1290 days of Desolation and the additional 45 days of blessing – then what’s all this business about not knowing the “times and the seasons” which Jesus enjoined us to KNOW?

      Why would Jesus go into excessive detail in Matthew 24 and 25 about His coming and give us numerous signs to watch? Could it be that the “Son” in His hypostatic union (Son of God/Son of Man) had delimited Himself to that knowledge while on earth? Not to sound racist – but dismissing the “discernment of the signs of the time” is like saying if so and so is of a certain race, forget ‘um – it’s like saying “all so-called date-setters are idiots” and worse yet, under the immediate judicial wrath of Almighty God. Jesus clearly said: “AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS” He was coming back (Matthew 24:29-31) – but, of course, if you’re looking for a “secret pre-tribulational rapture” . . . you might be sorely disappointed. Hey, why look at any “signs” when in point of fact you believe in the “imminency” of His coming at any moment and then you’re snatched outta here? Ask how Peter felt about the fact Jesus forecast how Peter would glorify Jesus in his death (John 21) – I guess Jesus’ “any moment return” couldn’t happen until after Peter died, right? The so-called imminent return of Christ couldn’t happen until Peter died – so everything after Peter died was “up for grabs” – where’s the verse that states that?

      This sacrosanct notion that anyone who attempts to discern/know the “times and the seasons” is somehow a crackpot – ’nuff said’ baloney is just a tragic example of superficial spirituality and lack of any real discernment. Jesus comes as a thief in the night to them who are not looking for Him – if you have enough oil in your lamp you’ll be ready to roll – but just like the days of Noah, so shall be in the coming of the Son of Man. Did Noah know when the flood would hit? Sure did – 7 days before it actually started to rain (ck. out Genesis 7:1-5) God told him to get into the ark – guess God got into date setting. And what’s this business that “in the fulness of time God brought forth His Son” – obviously, dates were set. The three wise men apparently were watching the signs of the time – were they date setters? Just because Hal Lindsey set some possible dates as to the coming of the Lord and Harold Camping got it terribly wrong – does that mean that all such extrapolations are from the pit of hell? Every weather forecaster is into predicting the weather and sometimes they get it wrong, very wrong – Jesus told the religious leadership that they could discern the weather but not the “times and the seasons” – I’m having a hard time on figuring out if Simon knows the difference? Hey, I haven’t told anyone to go out and buy a million-dollar motor home to toot around in because the Second Coming is nigh upon us. And what’s this business where the Almighty says that “Man’s days shall be 120 years?” Guess God’s got that figured out – do you think that this verse has any meaningful information in it that might just cause the ’nuff said’ out there to come to terms with what might be prophetically happening at the end of the age:

      “But you, O Daniel, shut up the words and seal the Book until the time of the end. [Then] many shall run to and fro and search anxiously [through the Book], and knowledge [of God’s purposes as revealed by His prophets] shall be increased and become great.” Daniel 12:4.

      Also, I might ask? When does “heaven and earth pass away”? – Is it immediately following the “tribulation of those days” (which sure sounds like by then we might be big into date setting, right?)? Sounds like the “heavens and the earth” pass away right after the tribulation of those days since there’s not much left since every island fled away and every mountain has been moved around quite a bit and there’s no more sea!

      What I’m saying in all this is pretty straightforward. Being a man of few words does not a scholar make nor having many words a dummy make. Could it be that the glorified Son of Man knows NOW precisely when He shall return, since in Him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily? I think He does and I think He is more apt to share His coming in glory with us if we are anxiously searching to and fro throughout the Book and that knowledge of the prophetic as revealed by His prophets will increase and become great at the end of time – time which is carefully delineated through a multitude of passages, let alone the incredible detail connected to the final week!

      I mean, come on now – what of the TWO OTHERS on either side of the river asking the man dressed in linen upon the river how long would the tribulation of those days last? Answer: Times, time and half a time, etc. (Dan. 12) – sure sounds like someone’s setting some time frames big time throughout Daniel and Revelation, let alone the Early Church Fathers and the rabbis all seem to concur that “Man’s days shall be 6,000 years” – Notwithstanding, it’s a whole lot of meaningless fun to throw out blanket statements and castigate everyone anxiously searching throughout the Book as to the coming of the Lord. And what about these wise men from the east who said: “We have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him . . . In Bethlehem of Judea, for thus it is written by the prophet, etc.” (Luke 2). We’re talking these were “wise men” in more ways than one – for one they astronomically were aware of His star – say what? Was that the Star that Balaam prophesied in Numbers 24:17? It is hard for me to believe that’s all they based their journey upon. Again, why would the Almighty give us so many “hints” – so many DATES and TIMES and SEASONS – just to tantalize us – just to tease us – to second guess us??? – more than ’nuff said! Oh, well, no need to get into Bible prophecy – no man knows the day or hour (which might have something to do with the New Moon at the Feast of Trumpets in any event-such a New Moon is exceedingly hard to predict) – so we could take the position: My LORD DELAYS HIS COMING! Not good. Those who think the Master’s coming has little to do with their walk or service are in deep trouble – He’ll come at a hour TO THEM that they least expect Him – but if you’re watching, you won’t be disappointed!

  8. Yo – this is getting fun! I mean, come on now, how many of us are called “idiotic guest” (aka, an “idiot”) as in:

    easily the most idiotic guest youve ever had on CCR. He cherry picks the things he wants to apply his numbers to, and he cherry picks the unit of measure…. so miles is god’s prophetic unit of choice? What about the rest of us who don’t live in usa and use km? when it suits him he uses cubits or , decides to use the earth’s diameter, not circumference or radius.
    On a final note, no one knows the day jesus comes back – not even jesus himself, only god. So who is krieger to say jesus comes back in 2025 because it makes 9? False prophecy is a sign the prophet is not from god. Watch out.

    O.K. – allow the “idiotic guest” to answer these otherwise brilliant charges and especially the comment “WATCH OUT” which sounds eerily reminiscent of a less than veiled threat that the Age of Deceit may befall CCR?

    Pry tell, the CONTEXT in which Jesus uses the phrase: NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR is directly in reference to the DAYS OF NOAH? I think that such an exegesis is fairly righteous. Read: “But of that day . . . no one knows” (Matthew 24:36).

    Immediately following Jesus’ remark he continues: “But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be” (vs. 37). How’s that? Well: “For as in the DAYS before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the DAY that Noah entered the ark, and did not KNOW until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the COMING of the Son of Man be” (vs. 38-39).

    Now, the question to ask is this: Did Noah KNOW the DAY when the Flood would hit? The answer is an unequivocal YES. How’s that? Read Genesis 7:1-4:

    “Then the LORD said to Noah, ‘Come into the ark, you and all your household, because I have seen that you are righteous before Me in this generation . . . for after SEVEN MORE DAYS I will cause it to rain on the earth forty days and forty nights, and I will destroy from the face of the earth all living things that I have made.’ And Noah did according to all that the LORD commanded him.” (Genesis 7:1-4).

    Hey, Noah had 7 days to KNOW THE DAY when the Almighty was going to destroy all that He had made on the earth! Sure sounds like the 70th Week of Daniel to me as in 7 days = One Week = 7 years, etc.

    But the “idiotic guest” (aka “idiot” and/or “fool” whichever you prefer – just call me RACA for short) continues . . .

    Jesus clearly couches the entire parable of the Flood in reference to His Coming in Glory – those who do not KNOW the DAY are likened unto those of Noah’s day who were “eating and drinking, marrying and given in marriage until the DAY that Noah entered the ark, and did not KNOW until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be” (Matt. 24:38-39).

    Still not getting it? KNOW and DAY are connected – so are THIEF and FLOOD.

    Also – may I direct my dear brother to this rarest of discoveries from the Interlinear Bible: Hebrew, Greek and English wherein we read the precise rendering of Matthew 24:36:

    “But – the day that and the hour no one knows, neither the angels of the heavens, EXCEPT THE FATHER OF ME ONLY.” The “idiotic phrase” NOR THE SON does not appear in the Greek. Oh, you may wish to insert it, but it does NOT exist. And since “he that has seen Me, has seen the Father” and “I and My are One” – do the math: 1 = 1; 2 = 1; therefore 1 and 2 = are the same or 1 and 2 = 1.

    The Plymouth Brethren, Dispensationalist himself, J. N. Darby in his version of Matthew 24:36:

    Matthew 24:36

    Darby Translation (DARBY)

    36 But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of the heavens, but [my] Father alone.

    Whereas our beloved KJV, you know, that infamous version with all the quaint little substantiations of the venerable Sacred Cubit which this “idiotic twit” just loves, states:

    36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

    And again, since “I and the Father are one” – guess who else knows the day and the hour? I bet it’s the Son Himself!

    Suffering “fools” has become, so it would appear, a favorite past time of mine. Hey, if only the Father knows, do yuh think He might have shared the DAY and HOUR with the Son of His Love? So much for the NOR THE SON stuff! With that in mind and spirit . . . let’s get into the consternation about the doctrine of the pre-trib imminency doctrine – that’s baloney as well! Talk about opening up a can of worms – the operative question is: Are we having fun yet?

    1. NotaH8ter

      Give someone enough rope and they’ll hang themselves with it.
      Doug Krieger doesn’t yet realise that he is already dead.

      1. Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated! And now, a word from our sponsors:

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        TO: Doug K: Thank you for the excellent article titled – Israel the Church and the Tribulation (found at

        I had some of the same questions that Doug Woodward expressed and have been tripped up for years, but now I feel I understand the big picture more clearly and have seen the light. Now, I’m completely in your camp. Understanding the two witnesses as Israel and the Church has cleared up so much confusion for me in this respect. You’ve made the 70th week chronology easy to understand and I’m much better able to articulate my eschatological viewpoint to friends.

        I’ve been reading through your books and articles on TribNet and to say – you’ve completely blown my mind – would be an understatement! I just finished The Final Babylon and am starting Signs in the Heavens and on the Earth. Wow!!

        I’m now officially a “KRIEGERITE” Question: When do I get my T-Shirt?

        Eschatologically Yours,

        Doug B.


        Now, the operative question is this: When will you become a KRIEGERITE?

  9. 144Ky

    “Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.” Ephesians 4:29

  10. Brother Doug, this is from an old “Waring House” brother: I say “amen” to Ephesians 4:29. Let all we do be done for the building up in love.

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