CCR 044: The Prophecy Forum

WHAT DID GONZ TALK ABOUT AT THE PROPHECY FORUM? Does the mark of the beast and the image of the beast have anything to do with rapidly emerging technologies? What about the very realistic prospect that we are entering a time when the question of what it means to be human will be challenged, manipulated, and eventually changed? How should a Christian respond to such developments and is there even an answer from the Biblical Worldview? How does this have anything to do with aliens if at all? These were the kinds of questions that Gonz , LA Marzulli and Doug Hamp tackled on the weekend of March 15-16, 2013 at the inaugural The Prophecy Forum: Aliens or Angels?

Gonz talks about his thoughts on his first ever power-point presentation and his first public speaking venture. The episode also contains the entire presentation in audio Gonz gave called Rise of the Beast Image: The Role of Science and Technology in the Unfolding of Bible Prophecy.


Rise of the Beast Image Video:


31 comments… add one
  1. Linda

    I know this is weird, but a comment Tom Horn made about Nimrod “becoming Nephilim” has been bugging me. Could something more sinister of happened in the “garden”? When Satan came to Eve (he was not cursed to the grnd.belly yet) could he have taken her(maybe willigly/tricked) and conceived Cain. Adam would have no other choice but to leave the garden and bring forth the promised savior after that point. Remember that God told them the plan and covered them. Could it be that that’s where the fallen angelic mix came into the world? I ? this because Cain was Marked (“mark of the beast”?)and very concerned re. that ientifying mark. He was cursed and he went forward to corrupt “a people”. Then we come to Nimrod and his total control and this devilish worship and “blood” “sex” cult. A atmosphere of corruptng the people and destroy man for Satan. My grandson and I came to this thought in a discussion of the fall and the “mark”. He immediately thought Cain’s mark as maybe the mark of the beast on the forehead! There’s so much detail not spoken in the Bible, but the HS can tae GOD’s Word and teach us HIS truth. We just have to be very careful with GOD’s Word!

    1. Nice thoughts Linda. I too have considered something of the nature you speak of in the Garden regarding the conception of Cain. In fact, it is a view that has been expressed throughout the years.

      The only issue is with the Bible account. Genesis 4:1 says this:

      “Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, “I have acquired a man from the Lord.”

      So, if we are staying consistent with the Scriptures, then no, Cain is not the result of an unholy union between “The Serpent” and Eve.

      That does not negate however the possibility that there may have been some sort of sexual corruption as part of the deception in the primal lie.

      This then makes more sense in context to Genesis 6. Again, unholy union between angel and man producing Nephilim. Sexual corruption seems to be a theme when it comes to Satan and his agenda. One more reason to invite the Holy Spirit to guide us through sexual purity in our lives.

      And for the mark of the beast being some sort of mark that was put upon the forehead of Cain? Absolutely a possibility. The Lord gives Cain a mark in Genesis 4:15

      “And the Lord said to him, “Therefore, whoever kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.” And the Lord set a mark on Cain, lest anyone finding him should kill him.”

      So yes; perhaps this mark is a reason why symbols are so important in the occult. And perhaps there is a reason why no one can buy or sell without the mark of the beast. Because Cain was the father of craft, civilization, commerce, urbanization. Therefore it makes sense that this same mark is going to be used in the end times.

      1. Linda

        Thank you for your kindly consideration. I too wrestle with that scripture! Maybe it was his rejection of God/His requirements/Him and so God marked him for others to see he chose the serpant! The craft etc. does fit well! You did a good job 🙂

  2. Arnn

    I’m raring to listen to this episode—I try to avoid computer multitasking but it looks like I’m gonna watch four basketball games (March Madness), watch the video above, watch Bellator tonight, listen to CCR 44 and finish some online education for CEU’s. Oh yeah—I still need to listen to L.A., Hamp, and Gonz over on Fringe form 14-March.

  3. Cheryl

    Awesome presentation, Gonz, thank you for wading through all of the various sources to put together this well laid out teaching. One quick question, the link for appears to be inaccurate, do you have an updated address?

    Am passing the link to your video along to others as I am Mom to a 20 year old who, along with other Christian friends, are just waking up to these things. Looks like the younger generation is ready to face up to many things that the mainstream church isn’t quite yet ready to address.

    Many blessings in Jesus!

    1. Cheryl,

      Thanks for bringing this to my attention when you did. I did fix the issue (something to do with joomla). I know it was a couple of days ago, but I just wanted to respond and let you know that I did fix the link.

      I am really excited to hear about your 20 year old son. I think this fringe crowd of Christians are doing more for the body than the institutions think. And personally, my heart does go out for these kids who aren’t getting the full scope of proper Bible in their high school and college ministries which lead them to other things. If all Christianity offers them is “warm fuzzy feelings from helping the poor” (and I say that, not to belittle helping the poor, because it’s a huge part of what we should be doing) then they can get this “feeling” in other circles outside of standard Christianity. I think that’s a huge issue with kids leaving the church as well. They find the same purposeful and meaningful activities communities as “Christians” are providing.

      I’ll have my prayers for your sons and their friends. Blessings.


  4. sim

    its about time! i get all excited when i see a new episode on your site…

  5. Sim0n

    What a Great episode. I really liked your talk at that convention thing. I was just reading that passage the other day about the image of the beast and wondering what it meant. Your ideas are pretty interesting and insightful.
    Your thoughts about quantum mechanics being used by scientists to explain alien life was great. I think quantum mechanics is so closely tied to the new age movement/middle east religion that it there will definitely be a perfect convergence of a false science and false religion which will be accepted by all. I’ve always maintained that quantum mechanics is essentially quackery, which will fit perfectly with the deceptions in the coming NWO religion. This new religion we are seeing the roots of today (all over the place like ted talks) and I suspect it will bloom to the general public like gangbusters in a few years.
    All aspects of your talk were fascinating and I look forward to seeing you making another documentary.
    God bless

    1. Linda

      Ditto 🙂

    2. Sim0n. Thank you for the kind words. Praise the Lord.

      I’m really relieved in many ways that the talk resonated with folks because there were points when putting it together, where I felt I might be the craziest person on the planet. It’s good to know there are other crazies like me 🙂

      Blessings to you. Working on Part II! It’s coming along.

  6. Jonny

    I listened to this over a couple of commutes and I have to say that I was blown away by the presentation- very professional and compelling. Really enjoyed it.

  7. I didn’t get the impression you were rambling at all. I thought the presentation was very informative, some great information. I think you did a great job.


  8. Darren

    Why not interview pardox brown ?
    Like my self she is very dubious of the return of the nephalin. Also if you scriptural basis for this is in the time of noha verse then I think you are very very mislead and putting your meaning to it.

  9. Darren

    Surly the verse about Noha and the end times is saying the people were take by surprise?
    Just like they will in the end times
    Have a look at the link for more info, I think you should at least tell people about challenges and problems to this view

    1. Hey Darren

      That was a blog post I did on the issue of the verse you brought up.

      I am aware of the other side of the argument.

      I’ve even spoken to Paradox directly about it.

      It’s late right now but I’ll look again at her article and perhaps even write a response to it.

    2. Linda

      I read the article and the first thing I thought of re. abductions is what about the physical check-up by an MD and a women is pregnant and has not been with a man, then she has an encounter again and the fetus has been removed. She is terrified etc. Quite a physical manifestation for a “vision”.

  10. Darren

    Also to be far and represent both sides I think you should do a show dedicated to problems with the theory of the return of the nephalin in the endtimes (there are lots)
    This artical is also very good

  11. Darren

    Here are is my attempt to condense dome of the rebuttals and problems
    But I hope you read the articles as there are a lot more
    1) Mathew 24 ” in the time of noah” continually taunted as an excuse to say we will have nephalin running around in the end times. Why if this in fact refers to giants does Jesus not mention this if it is not infact a parable about the people being caught unaware in the end times just the same as the times of noah ?

    2) Nephalin means fallen one, please see Dr Heiser about that one

    3) Nephalin and buildings noSnsense at the level of ancient aliens about Baalbekand mounds please watch Chris whites ancient alien debunked

    4) How in any way would 35 ft giant running around be described as a grate delusion and deception ? and who is that going to fooled exactly ?

    1. Linda

      I cannot read this comment I don’t think it is making sense; needs proof reading maybe!

      I don’t know what this person is reading, but there’s enough physical evidence and cave drawings etc. to prove there were giants and many more mounds that were taken control of by the Smithsonian and even built over to prevent research, along with confiscated artifacts. That is a fact. “Nephilim” is the correct spelling. (noSnsense, Baalbekand )what are these? I actually have not listened to the show, I got the comments sent to my email and reacted to your post.

  12. Darren

    Hay dude thanks for the response I am glad you spoke to paradox about it, my point is though the views need to be represented to the listeners so they can decide or at least hear a counter point

    1. Well listen, the debate is really first off, in house. I don’t promote the “return of the Nephilim” so adamantly. I don’t think there are going to be giants walking around necessarily, although nothing would surprise me at this point.

      I do think it’s possible and Scripture doesn’t negate that possibility either. As I mentioned in my blog post for Matthew 24 “as it were in the days of Noah” even if it’s describing business as usual, as in people eating drinking marrying etc, it’s pretty certain that in the days of Noah, those who were eating drinking and giving in marriage were the sons of God and there were Nephilim walking around…so the “business as usual” argument is somewhat weak, because “business as usual” in the days of Noah included the Nephilim and the sons of God.

      The concept is to keep watch as it says in verse 42 and looking around, it certainly seems like with all the strange reports of alien abductions etc, and the transhumanist agenda, that we live in the days where “each after their own kind” is certainly violated.

      I understand the counterpoint. But I still see the possibility in Scripture.

      I do think it’s pretty much given that the “sons of God” the fallen angels if you will, are going to be back.

      1. Linda

        Good job Gonz just read Rev. to see what comes out of the abyss in the final days of this history. The days of Noah were marked by rebellion and lawlessness everyone doing what was right in “their own eyes”. Taking what they wanted by force. So like you say the business as usual was “a people doing what they wanted, when they wanted and no one stood in their way! Killing foes and I’m sure raping and stealing etc. GOD was completely done with them and repented/changed HIS mind for creating them. In his mercy he found one who would not succumb to the wickedness and the DNA was not contaminated making he and his family still GOD’s creation and a “son” by Faith the only ones to escape!(well and the uncontaminated animals he could fill the earth with again.) Demons are disembodied spirits that need a new candidate so “and after the flood.” It slowed down Satan’s demise of earth and mankind, but it did NOT end there; that end is still future and maybe a not so distance future! People hardly study their bibles now think what it would be like if he gave every little detail! There’s a saying about hiding the truth and Kings jobs are digging it out. We are HIS kings and priests IN Christ!

      2. Darren

        In my opinion a search for the truth can be very much helped by debate and equal time for each view point to explain its point is vital to this noble quest for the truth.

        As such I am very sad you are having this as a “in house discussion” As i believe this debate is very much needed.

        I find it very interesting that NOT ONE person so far that supports this view that I have asked these questions too about this theory has had the apparent time or decency bother to actually attempt too answer or respond to ANY of the problems put forward to them. Just a deafening silence.
        As I said I find that very interesting especially when there a $50 charge for this extra biblical knowledge. I guess the bible just missed this stuff out so it a small price to pay right ?

  13. Darren

    whoops sorry just read you blog
    Now i feel more dumb that usual

    Thank you very much ! for at least attempting to counter one of the points. You have least started a debate in the open about it.I like that !

    That only floats if you just take that one line

    what about the view that this means the people in the end times are going to be taken by surprise ?
    Is that not the more coherent understanding of it ?
    When is i read in it entirety

    You would also have to admit that if the warning is we are to be ready for some type of unexpected thing that was going on in the time of noah there cauld be any number of things such as idolatry and imorality, what specifically points to the issue being nephalin exactly ?

    Is that not just a case of cherry picking a verse to support a view ? Instead of reading the hole and getting the the intended idea?

    1. When I saw in house debate, I mean a debate amongst believers, much like the topic of the rapture. I don’t think it has much to do with our salvation but rather, speculation as to how end times events will unfold.

      I will rebut some of what Paradox said about Numbers 13:33 where the Nephilim are mentioned. Yes it was slander on the part of the two spies and God even killed them for it. However, I don’t necessarily think it means the information was wrong. After speaking to Doug Hamp about this, he confirmed my suspicions here.

      What PB said was that it was slander, therefore the entire report was false. Rather, I believe some of the report was true, but the reason why God eliminated those two spies was because the point was to rally the Israelites into trusting God when it came to entering into the promised land. If you read on to chapter 14 of Numbers, you see that the people used this information as an excuse to Moses. We read starting in verse 6

      “Joshua son of Nun and Caleb son of Jephunneh, who were among those who had explored the land, tore their clothes 7and said to the entire Israelite assembly, “The land we passed through and explored is exceedingly good. 8If the Lord is pleased with us, he will lead us into that land, a land flowing with milk and honey, and will give it to us. 9Only do not rebel against the Lord. And do not be afraid of the people of the land, because we will devour them. Their protection is gone, but the Lord is with us. Do not be afraid of them.”

      So here we see a few things…

      1. Joshua does not deny the existence of Nephilim in the land.
      2. The land is good and worth fighting for.
      3. Don’t rebel against the Lord.
      4. Don’t be afraid of the people in the land (again…doesn’t deny Nephilim)

      It was a trusting God issue.

      Moving on a bit, I would like to gain some clarity on the conversation.

      First off, I think it’s important to distinguish this Nephilim topic from modern day presence and Old Testament presence. I think it’s pretty conclusive that there were Nephilim, or at least some form of Nephilim descendants in the OT post flood. Even Dr. Mike Heiser argues that in the book of Joshua, they were fighting against giants.

      That being said, it doens’t mean there are or are going to be giants walking around in modern days. I tend to agree that “as the days of noah” doesn’t necessarily imply Nephilim, but rather abominable acts by humanity. And while it is true that I think Jesus was talking about the suddenness of the end, I don’t think that argument negates my contentions. If you read verse 48 and 49

      “But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards.”

      In other words, fellowship with the world or taking part in the things of this world correct? Well what is this world doing? Transhumanism. Genetic/DNA tampering, CERN trying to create black holes etc etc etc. And why do they do this? Because they don’t believe there is a God and they don’t think Jesus is coming back.

      And another inconclusive point that PB makes that I respectfully disagre with is this idea that there are no ancient monuments left after the flood. We can’t know that for sure. As a matter of fact, there are strange structures under the water off the coast of Japan. The water can bury structures, but they don’t necessarily destroy them. So while I agree that most of the megolithic structures are probably post flood, and even probably built by humans, I will say that it doesn’t mean those structures were ruined as well.

      I’ll stop here for now, I but I love the dialogue.

  14. Darren

    Below note after in the time of Noah is followed by for in that time,

    37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 4

    Later in Mathew When jesus is explaining about the end times he relates the parable of the servant caught unaware of his masters return

    5 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47 Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50

    again the idea is of no being prepared or being taken by surprise, no mention of giants zero nada

    we also have the parable of the thief coming in unexpectedly

    42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

    Why did Jesus use two examples of people being caught by surprise in the end time but not once mention giants ?

    1. Linda

      Well 1st I said I didn’t listen to this program yet just reacting to comments, but saw it was a prev. I did listen to. Now just because the giants aren’t mentioned it also doesn’t mention most details. The biggest concern was they were NOT after the things of GOD, but self and EVERYTHING that can enhance and improve self. Do you think that GOD/Jesus were taken by surprise by man in the 21st cent. cloning, hybrids, abortions (which they had plenty back then and found many fetuses in jars offered to gods), murders, thefts, rapes, pedophilia, homosexuality,false teachings within the church and without etc.? I think the analogy is emphasizing that they accept all these and practice them with NO regard to GOD, nor FEAR of GOD! The things in secret are still the things from before the flood, you just are not privy to them. There is still Semiranian cult worship including sex sacrifices, still a Babel being formed and hybrids have been made for a long time which is mingling the “seed”. They probably in the UK have had a human clone for a long time, and a clone does NOT have a soul=one soul given by GOD for each human in creation! That leaves a lot of shells that can be possessed and procreate the Nephilim. Can you or anyone else prove differently. No we can’t, but scripture proving scripture is where we should go to find our answers along with the HOLY Spirit,(and we can include proven facts at large) not man’s opinions. They are just opinions and like belly buttons everybody has one! These people will be surprised especially the “works/social justice/socialism” church which mixes works and grace for salvation instead of Grace through Faith as required, works follow salvation! The works with out this Faith salvation are dead and will be tried by fire, like gold being purified.
      1 Corinthians 3:13 King James Version (KJV)
      13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.
      They will be shocked and they will be surrounded by great delusion and yes unclean spirits and strange flesh. According to the bible.

      1. Darren

        Thanks for your reply linda

        I guess i am not buying it really although I am sure there up to cloning and all that nasty stuff. I also agree unregenerate man has no fear of god

        I guess ill hang out and see what crawls out of the wood work


        1. Linda

          Darren, I also have to say I do not plan to be here when that last part reveals its self. God has not appointed me to wrath, I am IN Christ and sealed for when he calls me up, o I die first. I have been imputed with His Righteousness so I am pure/clean/washed in His Blood Atonement. I already positionaly sit with Him in heavenly places and He’s sharing all His Glory with me in that time=pretty incredible since I was, before faith in Christ,a depraved sinner DEAD to GOD! Now my flesh wars with my spirit, but my spirit wins in the end!:) I don’t want to be here one more day then I need to be, because those days will be vile and TERROR unknown to man. Its for the ones who have rejected GOD’s wonderful salvation and Israel to be made pure w/o spot or wrinkle, to be made ready In Faith to rule and reign w/Him in the Millennium. Then the final judgment.

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  16. Corey S.

    Hi, guys… this episode won’t load on the main site here, and I tried listening on the Podcast app through iTunes at which I got a message that said the episode was not available.

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